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Post by Charity on Oct 8, 2005 20:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by Charity on Oct 8, 2005 20:35:06 GMT -5
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Post by Charity on Nov 1, 2005 11:05:28 GMT -5
I plan to add much more here very soon. Please feel free to add to this thread as well.
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Post by Charity on Nov 1, 2005 12:15:42 GMT -5
Theistic Evolution, the Apple of Satan's Eye The Bibel says that in the last days people will not endure sound doctrine. (2 Tim 4:3 KJV) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; (2 Tim 4:4 KJV) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. Theistic evolution is a convenient compromise for people that want to fill comfortable when they are around evolutionits and to fill comfortable around so called Christians. They never really have to take a stand. It is kind of like doublemindedism. The Bible says, (James 1:8 KJV) A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Theistic evolutionists are very unstable! read more... Good article www.homestead.com/davidgoliathministries/Theisticevolution.html |
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Post by Charity on Nov 7, 2005 19:11:23 GMT -5
If any church or preacher teaches that evolution is biblical, they are a LIAR. God did not need to consult Charles Darwin on how to create the world and all that is in it. If you are in a church that supports evolution, I pray that you will examine the evidence and furthermore, examine the church you are in.
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Post by Charity on Nov 7, 2005 19:45:00 GMT -5
Well is seems it's official, the vatican endorses monkey to man (does this mean they believe now that God is a monkey?) Evolution in the bible, says Vatican THE Vatican has issued a stout defence of Charles Darwin, voicing strong criticism of Christian fundamentalists who reject his theory of evolution and interpret the biblical account of creation literally. Cardinal Paul Poupard, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture, said the Genesis description of how God created the universe and Darwin's theory of evolution were "perfectly compatible" if the Bible were read correctly. His statement was a clear attack on creationist campaigners in the US, who see evolution and the Genesis account as mutually exclusive. "The fundamentalists want to give a scientific meaning to words that had no scientific aim," he said at a Vatican press conference. He said the real message in Genesis was that "the universe didn't make itself and had a creator". This idea was part of theology, Cardinal Poupard emphasised, while the precise details of how creation and the development of the species came about belonged to a different realm - science. Cardinal Poupard said that it was important for Catholic believers to know how science saw things so as to "understand things better". www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17162...0.html?from=rss |
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Post by Charity on Nov 7, 2005 19:47:02 GMT -5
An atheist cannot find God for the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman.
Any church that embraces evolution, rejects God, and the Bible. If you are in a church such as this you are in a cult, get out!
My God is not a monkey no matter what man says!!!
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Post by Charity on Nov 7, 2005 20:28:05 GMT -5
Vatican: Faithful Should Listen to Science VATICAN CITY - A Vatican cardinal said Thursday the faithful should listen to what secular modern science has to offer, warning that religion risks turning into "fundamentalism" if it ignores scientific reason. more news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051104/ap_on_...HNlYwMlJVRPUCUlSO, let me get this straight, this cardinal thinks christians should embrace secularism? Is this guy attacking fundamental christianity? I think he is. The guy sure has a lot of nerve. |
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Post by Charity on Nov 7, 2005 20:28:49 GMT -5
QUOTE Cardinal Paul Poupard, who heads the Pontifical Council for Culture, made the comments at a news conference on a Vatican project to help end the "mutual prejudice" between religion and science that has long bedeviled the Roman Catholic Church and is part of the evolution debate in the United States. The Vatican project was inspired by Pope John Paul II's 1992 declaration that the church's 17th-century denunciation of Galileo was an error resulting from "tragic mutual incomprehension." Galileo was condemned for supporting Nicolaus Copernicus' discovery that the Earth revolved around the sun; church teaching at the time placed Earth at the center of the universe. "The permanent lesson that the Galileo case represents pushes us to keep alive the dialogue between the various disciplines, and in particular between theology and the natural sciences, if we want to prevent similar episodes from repeating themselves in the future," Poupard said. But he said science, too, should listen to religion. "We know where scientific reason can end up by itself: the atomic bomb and the possibility of cloning human beings are fruit of a reason that wants to free itself from every ethical or religious link," he said. "But we also know the dangers of a religion that severs its links with reason and becomes prey to fundamentalism," he said. "The faithful have the obligation to listen to that which secular modern science has to offer, just as we ask that knowledge of the faith be taken in consideration as an expert voice in humanity." Poupard and others at the news conference were asked about the religion-science debate raging in the United States over evolution and "intelligent design." Intelligent design's supporters argue that natural selection, an element of evolutionary theory, cannot fully explain the origin of life or the emergence of highly complex life forms. Monsignor Gianfranco Basti, director of the Vatican project STOQ, or Science, Theology and Ontological Quest, reaffirmed John Paul's 1996 statement that evolution was "more than just a hypothesis." "A hypothesis asks whether something is true or false," he said. "(Evolution) is more than a hypothesis because there is proof." He was asked about comments made in July by Austrian Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn, who dismissed in a New York Times article the 1996 statement by John Paul as "rather vague and unimportant" and seemed to back intelligent design. Basti concurred that John Paul's 1996 letter "is not a very clear expression from a definition point of view," but he said evolution was assuming ever more authority as scientific proof develops. Poupard, for his part, stressed that what was important was that "the universe wasn't made by itself, but has a creator." But he added, "It's important for the faithful to know how science views things to understand better." The Vatican project STOQ has organized academic courses and conferences on the relationship between science and religion and is hosting its first international conference on "the infinity in science, philosophy and theology," next week. ___ On the Net: Vatican project STOQ: www.stoqnet.org |
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Post by Charity on Nov 7, 2005 20:29:33 GMT -5
THE Vatican has issued a stout defence of Charles Darwin, voicing strong criticism of Christian fundamentalists who reject his theory of evolution and interpret the biblical account of creation literally.
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Translated-fundies who actually believe God's Word are to be rejected.
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Post by Charity on Nov 7, 2005 21:52:58 GMT -5
Hitler's Justification for Killing Q: We know the horror of how Hitler killed millions of people—particularly Jews—but what was his justification for doing it? A: To answer that question, consider this quote from a famous evolutionist, Sir Arthur Keith. He once wrote, To see evolutionary measures and tribal morality being applied rigorously to the affairs of a great modern nation, we must turn again to Germany of 1942. We see Hitler devoutly convinced that evolution produces the only real basis for a national policy … . The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practices of Germany conform to the theory of evolution. Because Hitler believed in evolution, he applied this practically. He set up the machinery to help nature eliminate those he believed were the unfit. First, it was those he considered to be “genetically inferior”—the mentally and physically disabled. Next, gypsies, Jews and others. Hitler developed his own form of racism based on his acceptance of evolutionary theory. Just because someone believes in evolution does not necessarily mean they’ll be a racist. But, because evolution is a belief system without a moral basis, unlike Christianity, it can be used to justify any evil position—just as Hitler’s example shows. www.ansersingenesis.org |
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Post by Charity on Nov 8, 2005 9:30:03 GMT -5
Paul Cardinal Poupard en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_PoupardPoupard has been the Cardinal Priest of the Titulus S. Praxedis since 1996 and was one of the cardinal electors who participated in the 2005 papal conclave that selected Pope Benedict XVI. www.messenger-inquirer.com/news/usworld/9089729.htmA LIST OF BETRAYALS BY ONE CARDINAL, PAUL POUPARD, ARCHBISHOP OF PARIS members.iinet.net.au/~raphael/sc_3_1.html"The hostile attitude of positivist scientism is now worn out...in August 1997, 'Science' magazine published an article entitled 'Science and God: a Warming Trend?' The question mark at the end shows the uncertainty of many scientists but, at the same time, the article echoes the symptoms of a certain change. More recently, in the September issue of 'Scientific American,' the argument was studied again in an article on the relation of U.S. scientists with religion. Such an article could never have been published before in that magazine. The article calls attention to a series of movements, meetings, conferences, courses that suggest a greater concordance between science and religion." ("Scientists are Rediscovering God"; Interview with Cardinal Paul Poupard, Vatican City, May 23, Zenit.org) www.kingdombaptist.org/article627.cfm |
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Post by Charity on Nov 8, 2005 10:14:38 GMT -5
I thought a lot about this since I heard about it yesterday. I personally know several catholics that are indeed young earth Creationists. I wonder how they will react to this. Secular humanism has creeped into every aspect of the world today. My prayer is that those who actually believe the Bible (God's true Word) will hold tight to their faith during these troubled times. It seems people are swayed this way and that way with every doctrine man has to offer. Even those who hold titles in the church, many pharisees, are so easily swayed. Those are the ones that trouble me the most. They have so much influence on the flock. They will be held accountable in the end for their errors.
2 Peter 3:5
John 10:26
Matthew 18:6
Mark 9:42
Mark 13:21
Mark 16:16
Luke 1:20
Luke 8:12
John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
John 7:48 Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him?
John 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
John 12:42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
1 Corinthians 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him
2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
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Post by Charity on Nov 8, 2005 12:19:38 GMT -5
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
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Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
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And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
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For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
Matthew 7: 15-29
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Post by Charity on Nov 8, 2005 12:25:15 GMT -5
Romans 1: 20-22
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
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